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Franksalot · Jul 30, 2010, 09:22 AM // 09:22

people whine cause anet are stupid... they make obviously OP changes... which make people whine cause... OP builds with the new buffed skills flood PvP and PvE .Then OFC comes a stream of weekly nerfs when their new OP buffs cause too much problems and so more whining. But still they somehow manage to miss the core issues players have, for example shadow form and speed clears... they did well stopping them.

jonnieboi05 · Jul 30, 2010, 11:06 AM // 11:06

I'm enjoying the whinning going on in this thread.

Beneficial update: people whine.
Bad update: people whine.
Update to fix bugs: people whine.

The list goes on and on.

Xsiriss · Jul 30, 2010, 11:26 AM // 11:26

The problem is it's only these issues, and the fact they couldn't do things right in the first place. Which is the standard anet way of things.

The comments on pve attention are pretty good actually,seeing as anet just can't nail GvG down...the reasoning being that if they still can't give pvp the right lovin' then why not divert their apparent resources to somewhere else.

HigherMinion · Jul 30, 2010, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Seeing as GW was built around the idea PvP would be the main event, it's good to see it's still being worked on.

I just can't wait until they fix the Shadow Form bug.

I think Anet were inspired by Microsoft to have their game tested by the consumer and wait to be told what to fix.

gremlin · Jul 30, 2010, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Why shouldn't they update PvP skills? Why does a PvE player care at all when a skill that only exists in PvP is changed?

For one very good reason and that's the constant attacks from pvp players every time a pve request was put to the forum in the past.

Only kidding but there are a bunch of arrogant pvp players out there.
I was getting very fed up with jibes about how pve was so easy you could do it with no skills at all.

That said PVP is most important to the game because its where 90% of the skill changes come from the other 10% comes from pve farming.
In effect pvp play constantly playtests the game skills and creates new content.

The only real problem is that the development team cannot keep up with them so changes come very late, its no ones fault just signs of an old game with limited support available.

GW built around pvp ? hmm show me the proof
So much time and effort was put into creating the pve world it makes no sense at all since pvp takes place in a very small part of it.

Yol · Jul 30, 2010, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by gremlin

GW built around pvp ? hmm show me the proof
So much time and effort was put into creating the pve world it makes no sense at all since pvp takes place in a very small part of it.

When GW was first released, back in the dim and distant past, PvP was considered to be the end-game content. You would go through the PvE storyline, getting skills, weapons and armour, and then when you reached the desert you would be introduced to formats of PvP. PvE was essentially a means of preparing players for PvP. Of course, this is no longer the case....

On-topic...considering how old the game is, I'm pleased with any bug fixes that they have time to do.

Missing HB · Jul 30, 2010, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

No it is lack of play in the other formats that cause the format to rot. ???

Yes but that lack of play is due to the fact that such format doesn't get any update ever , thus people start leaving because they get bored , etc...

In fact , since GvG is supposed to be THE pvp format in GW , it would be quite ridiculous if it was completly dead , thus that's maybe the reason there is much more work done on that format..

aspi · Jul 30, 2010, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

I'm enjoying the whinning going on in this thread.

Beneficial update: people whine.
Bad update: people whine.
Update to fix bugs: people whine.

The list goes on and on.

And they wonder why the people from Anet dont show up more often. You cannot please this community it seems.

Angel Killuminati · Jul 30, 2010, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by aspi

And they wonder why the people from Anet dont show up more often. You cannot please this community it seems.

It's just the dumb few who moan and moan at every occasion.

I've played the game for 4 years and have absolutely no gripes with Anet at all. Everything they've done has given me so much enjoyment. If I really sit back and think at things, everything has been done for a purpose and I can't think of anything to moan about.

Things change, skills change, additions get added to the game, some things are altered or removed... deal with it.

thelyfe21 · Jul 30, 2010, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Oleg

I’m glad we have the definition of “hypocrisy” sorted. Now let’s work on “pedantic”.

Sorry to help people understand the correct definition so they use the word correctly, surely that wasn't a trivial matter. Deal with it.

On topic: People whine about every game due to the areas that are update more frequently. They fix what needs to be fixed, not always exactly what the players want, again, deal with it. -.-

Xiaquin · Jul 30, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I think it could just be left at "people whine". The game has passed the 5 year mark, which makes things all the more confusing. You'd think by now people would know what to expect and not act so shocked that they didn't get their wish list updated.

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Originally Posted by thelyfe21

Sorry to help people understand the correct definition so they use the word correctly, surely that wasn't a trivial matter. Deal with it.

At least you provided a definition (unlike others), but it's just that when people do misuse a word, it's even worse when others insist on thrashing them pretentiously.

MMSDome · Jul 30, 2010, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Yes but that lack of play is due to the fact that such format doesn't get any update ever , thus people start leaving because they get bored , etc...

In fact , since GvG is supposed to be THE pvp format in GW , it would be quite ridiculous if it was completly dead , thus that's maybe the reason there is much more work done on that format..

That's a good point because Hero Battles never did get attention and was played by gay ass builds like BB and dual meld and then that N/A weaken knees shit that cam in, in the very end. O yea and they should have removed the hero battles zquest.

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Originally Posted by Franksalot

people whine cause anet are stupid... they make obviously OP changes... which make people whine cause... OP builds with the new buffed skills flood PvP and PvE .Then OFC comes a stream of weekly nerfs when their new OP buffs cause too much problems and so more whining. But still they somehow manage to miss the core issues players have, for example shadow form and speed clears... they did well stopping them.

Why do you keep saying everything is overpowered....lol?

X Dr Pepper X · Jul 30, 2010, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

Why do you keep saying everything is overpowered....lol?

Because it is. To deal with poorly designed and stupidly broken HM monsters in PVE, the builds have to be broken enough to compete with HM monsters.

ANet is introducing a power creep in classes it does substantial updates in ("Find Their Weakness!" +40 dmg and deepwound....). The power creep would be unnecessary if they just fixed HM monsters to not be broken in such gimmicky and generic ways. They could then not buff classes to play better, but change them to fit into a better role such as the Dervish finding it's own role by complete redesign.

The game itself is becoming extremely overpowered in more and more aspects as ANet changes skills.

Puddin Cheeks · Jul 30, 2010, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I myself love the dart board skill updates we use to get on a monthly basis. It keeps the game form getting horribly stagnant as we have seen lately. I don't care that imba builds came out of it, at least it was some to play with and tweak new little builds out of.

This game is Titled Guild Wars, but the true title is Build Wars. That is what has kept this game fun for me.

Morphy · Jul 30, 2010, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

I'm enjoying the whinning going on in this thread.

Beneficial update: people whine.
Bad update: people whine.
Update to fix bugs: people whine.

The list goes on and on.

You have to realize not every player on this site wants the same thing and that "beneficial updates" often still have a bad net result. Unnatural Signet went from buildwarsy useful to ridiculously overpowered to completely worthless. That's a semi-useful skill that gets nuked for no apparent reason. As for bug fixes, people who whine about that are just idiots and should be ignored, unless the bug fix doesn't actually do anything. Of course, there's also people that purely whine because they're egoistic RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOfaces. Both PvP and PvE deserve updates, both for different reasons.

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Originally Posted by gremlin

For one very good reason and that's the constant attacks from pvp players every time a pve request was put to the forum in the past.

Only kidding but there are a bunch of arrogant pvp players out there.
I was getting very fed up with jibes about how pve was so easy you could do it with no skills at all.

So basically, the reason you whine about PvP updates is because you have a grudge against PvP players that told you the harsh truth. Way to make yourself look like a fool, bro.

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Originally Posted by Angel Killuminati

Things change, skills change, additions get added to the game, some things are altered or removed... deal with it.

In the case of PvP, change for the worse. The reason why people "moan" about PvP updates is because it makes PvP drift away further and further from the "skill over skills" philosophy.

Ka Tet · Jul 30, 2010, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Morphy

In the case of PvP, change for the worse. The reason why people "moan" about PvP updates is because it makes PvP drift away further and further from the "skill over skills" philosophy.

QFT.
Revisited HA last night. Looked like Ruben Amaro Jr. was running the place.

headlesshobbs · Jul 30, 2010, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Beneficial update: people whine.
Bad update: people whine.
Update to fix bugs: people whine.

The list goes on and on.

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Originally Posted by Franksalot

people whine cause anet are stupid...

whine whine whine whine whine.....

Morphy · Jul 30, 2010, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

whine whine whine whine whine.....

Stop whining about whiners that whine, whiner.

Lanier · Jul 30, 2010, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

I myself love the dart board skill updates we use to get on a monthly basis. It keeps the game form getting horribly stagnant as we have seen lately. I don't care that imba builds came out of it, at least it was some to play with and tweak new little builds out of.

This game is Titled Guild Wars, but the true title is Build Wars. That is what has kept this game fun for me.

I agree completely. If anet is going to take 4 months to come out with a "balanced" (well supposed to be) update, i would rather them just continue the old dart board skill balances. Balance is good and all but its better to keep the game from becoming stagnant imo.

headlesshobbs · Jul 30, 2010, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Morphy

Stop whining about whiners that whine, whiner.

aww

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